I'm so happy i can finally play this game! For 10 years i was stuck with a core 2 duo with 4 GB ram and i had an Nvidia 520 2gb video card. I could play most games on low settings but some would be very laggy or crash often. I saved and got finally got what i call my lil monster rig- power ran a sale for $3000 and i got intel i9 11800 4TB ssd HD 2 of them so i got 8TB total my video card runs 128GB and also my RAM 128GB So i can again probably wait another 10 years like last time before having to update again. But to those who have the older computers i know your pain ive been there! having to hear from bratty kids just buy a new computer! Well kid i don't have big daddy pockets buying my computers for me like you do! Just hang in there! You keep putting that dollar away and one day you will be happy with a better pc. Good luck!
This game is very early access and still getting a new update every week, and they're still not done with the campaign. Looks fantastic but this is one to wait on. It would be a total waste of time to keep it updated here, so if you really have to play it, go find the GoG version.
Game works fine, but requires strong system configuration. 8gb ram won't run game properly at even low settings. Good game, still not like Eve online and others.
16GB RAM? WTF? Is the developer seriously trying to get people to play their game? Or is the developer expecting people to treat this like a gold leaf caviar?
I presonally have yet to encounter a game that requires more than 8GB RAM. It's just the recommended, As in when they recommend i7 CPU when you can easily get 60 fps with a i5.
The norm? Normal where? The majority of desktop gamers have only 8GB. If you consider laptops, the majority still comes in 4 GB and most laptop users will not bother upgrading their memory. I don't know where you think 16GB is normal, but in Asia, 8GB is already top of the line, and only professional gamers have 16GB. To play the latest well-designed games, you'd generally only need only 8GB RAM and 2GB GPU. If you need more than that, there will be only less than 2% of computer users that can play your game with majority customers mostly coming from America, UK, Germany, Japan, Korea and China. That's why game development in recent years is a serious risk. You're making games that most people can't play, thus you're not making enough sales despite spending a lot of money, that's why game companies go bankrupt and sell out to companies like EA. p/s: I had had a look at the graphics of this game. And it didn't justify the high system requirements. The developer simply had too many polygons when textures could easily achieve the same effect for less resources. But if the developer used Unity engine to make the game, then it's probably not his fault for the high system requirements. Unity engine simply has high baseline requirements and everything the developer does only builds up on the high system requirements. It's like building a skyscraper on Mount Everest.
This is completely wrong and you're just pulling statistics out of your ass. Look at the steam hardware surveys and you'll see that 38% of gamers have 16GB of RAM, followed by 33.99% using 8GB.
You are arguing using Steam statistics? How about global statistics? Have you thought of that? Have you asked people in India or Japan what system they have? Do you know why Steam statistics are skewed towards the high end? It's because the majority of games listed on Steam can't be played on systems with 4GB or less. If there are no 4GB games, why would there be 4GB users? 4GB users go to Good Old Games, not Steam.
Did you just made up your statistics? Nobody runs games on 4Gb RAM laptops these days. If someone doesn't feel like upgrading their old tin can, they move on to console/mobile gaming. I've had 32 Gb RAM since 2014.
Bruh Im running 2010 self-built PC with 4GB DDR3 and still can play majority of the modern games on high settings, at least one that properly coded. Recently updated my old overheating GPU 1Gb 512bit to 8Gb 256 bit and this is the one and the only update I gonna have for a next few years. My motherboard cant handle more than 8GB in total and since its DDR3 Ill just waste money from switching 4 to 8. And for possible switching to DDR4 Ill have to buy completely new motherboard and CPU which are pretty expensive overall and wont give any benefits for anything but a few heavy 'sandboxes' and some poorly made games without proper optimisations...not a big waste.
Observation based on Alibaba, Lazada and localized eBay stocks of consumer laptop for sale. I do not know eBay USA's localized stocks as I do not live in USA. Macbooks with 4GB RAM is still commonly sold in Asia (I don't know about Europe or America because I don't live there).
Steam's own statistics. Under Steam's statistics, 4GB is still very common, though nowhere near as many as 8GB which dominates the hardware spec list. This is easily explainable as very few games on Steam can be played by 4GB rigs. Those with 4GB rigs go to GOG instead. My point, from the very start, was that there is no need for such a high system requirement. The graphics are no better than what you get from a game in the late 2000s, the performance is also sluggish. The majority of computer users in the world are not regular gamers, and making such a high system requirement means these people will never even try to be your customers, further reducing the market for games as casuals can't be bothered to abide by the high system requirements expected of them to try playing a game. There are only two reasons why there is such a high system requirement:
Unity 3D has very high basic system requirement by itself. You cannot make a game that runs well on 4GB rigs if you make it using Unity. A game like Neo Scavenger if made using Unity 3D will require at least 4GB but since it's made using Java, it doesn't even need 1GB. Pathfinder: Kingmaker requires at least 8GB to run okay (but not well) but if it had been made using engines such as Infinity, would've reduced it requirement allowing it to run at 4GB without any problem.
Developer's propensity to use high polygon models that puts heavy pressure on even modern GPUs, forcing the system to use more RAM for graphics instead of dedicating the RAM for running the game. Had they use less polygon and more textures with proper bumpmaps, the system requirements would've been much lower. By making games that most people can't play, they are making games that are not paying the bills. The cost of development is still the same, but because they pander to the top of the line rigs, those casual gamers are not going to buy it, so despite having large expenses, they're not getting any profit and ends up bankrupt. Instead of high system requirements and pretty graphics, optimization techniques and better gameplay should be considered as priority. Of course, the original complain about unnecessary high system requirement is always pushed aside by the elites of 10% (this is approximation) who have the top of the best rigs saying "OMG! I've had awesome rigs since forever, Every scrubs should shut up and catch up!" And it just keeps going worse from there with he say and she say. An instant fix for the problem would be to stop making games using Unity engine. Even Unreal Engine 4 (with its higher base system requirement) is more stable and prettier than Unity engine. The same game made in Unreal Engine 4 can have lower system requirement, prettier graphic and smoother performance than one made in Unity.
I like it when people come back to me with well presented arguments, however:
the statistics of consumer laptop sales have little to do with 'gamers'. Laptops are mostly used for work, studies and by casual Candy crush folks. Any gamer looking for some quality (as in, immersive and fun) gaming would chose a desktop. No need to build your own even, there are a boat load of pre-built setups, all coming with 8Gb RAM or more. Macbooks are even less suited for any games but Facebook casual ones. In addition, since you mention Asia, the number 1 platform for gaming in Asia is mobile. Consoles are way less popular in comparison, PCs a lot less even.
Steam statistics are inconclusive, as it was voluntary for everyone to participate. Not a fact, rather my opinion, but I think everyone with higher-end computers were too busy gaming to participate. x. - I may have a high end PC now, but back in 2005 I bought a dual core powered desktop with 4 Gb RAM for games. I paid 300£ for it. It's been 14 years, you bet I'd have upgraded since then. I do agree with your point though. Take a look at the very best game ever made (not up for discussion - it's a fact) Witcher 3 - minimum 6 Gb RAM, recommended 8 Gb RAM. No game should require 16 just yet, especially one that doesn't have all that much going on in it.
Most serious gamers run on 16 instead of 8 since 012. If you don't your game isn't for competition on most action/strategy games. Had 16 on my older systems. It's now 32. You still can play minimum reqs, but don't expect top quality gaming. With the new rigs that came out last xmas, expect to go quantum.
2012 huh? You must be one of those rich kids with a lot of budget to spare for computers. In 2012, the cheapest 8GB Corsair was USD72. If you bought two of them, that's USD 144, not exactly cheap for the cheapest option, isn't it? That's in the USA. How much was the price of your whole rig? It's probably fine for you guys since your average monthly household income was $4280 back then. Now imagine the rest of the world (with the exception of UK, and some European countries), with its higher component prices and lower average income. In that same year in Singapore, it was over Sing$150. In Malaysia, just across the strait from Singapore, it was RM300, some brands reaching up to RM500 (USD122) for an 8GB. How much do you think 16 GB cost now? In Singapore, it costs S$129. In Malaysia, it costs RM295. In Japan, it costs ¥10,520. These are oftentimes, 10% to 15% of a person's monthly salary and then there's tax, which if applied raises these prices further. This is only for a 16GB RAM. It doesn't include the GPU, motherboard, and the price of the game itself. You and your friends have 16 gigs? That's great, you guys definitely play games together, right? Call of Duty? Battlefront? Medal of Honor? Now go out on the streets, make a survey to random people at a mall somewhere and ask them how many RAMs do they have. I'm sure you will say DDR3 is cheaper, but there is no point in getting DDR3 now, because DDR3 does not work with DDR4 and DDR3 is being sold cheaper because it's being phased out. DDR3 motherboards won't work with DDR4 motherboards. So you'd wasting money trying to be cheap, but in reality you'd just spending more money later on because you have to buy a new motherboard for the new DDR4 RAMs when you finally want to upgrade. They don't work together.
as someone who has been broke due to a disability for over 7yrs, ive had two seperate rigs in that time and both had 16gbs of ram . . . any gamer in their right mind would get 16gb on a rig, hell windows 7 and 10 soak up 1-2gb on their own ffs, not including anything else you have running . . . oh and i paid 40$US for 2x8gb GEiL veloce ram lmao, ddr3 is cheap as shit and has been for a few years now
O really? Bird on the tree said in 2012, 2x8GB GeIL veloce ram sold for USD150 in 2012. Its close competitors G.Skill TridentX and Corsair Dominator Platinum sold for USD155 and USD255 respectively (in 2012). How did you get it for USD40, I wonder. Unless you mean you bought it now, then yeah, they want to get rid of their stock so of course they'd sell it cheap. As I mentioned, there is no point in getting a DDR3 now and its motherboards now, not when you want to upgrade within the next few years. But then again, I had a look just now at a parts seller and I can't find any 2x8GB GeIL Evo Veloce DDR3-2400 being sold at USD40. They're still being sold at around USD80 from what I've googled. Can you point me to where it's sold at USD40? I can't even find it at that price on ebay, unless I'm missing something?
also the concept of being forced to upgrade every few years is total bullsh** nowadays . . . my rig was built 3yrs ago, with what is now 5yr old hardware, and STILL plays everything that comes out just fine, and im not some casual either, it plays ARK and star citizen at 60fps on maxed settings . . . as well as Atlas, arma 3 running antistasi, warframe on max, i mean literally name it and ive probably played it on this rig, at max, at 60fps
first off i specifically said it was on sale, so theres that . . . second, i said a few years, few . . . i sepcifically stated that ive had 2 seperate rigs in the last 7 years, and that my CURRENT rig has the veloce in it . . . also, you are comparing GEiLs cheapest offering to G.Skill and Corsairs most expensive offering . . . if you are looking to get trident or dominator, you are going to pay out the arse for it, even now . . . despite what people say, you dont need the best of the best of every part in your rig ffs, no wonder you think its an unattainable goal . . . i can build you a rig for 750$USD(not including any sales ofc, black friday being the best time to buy) that will play literally everything thats out right now, and whatever comes out for a few years coming
Okay... you never said anything about a sale. "as someone who has been broke due to a disability for over 7yrs, ive had two seperate rigs in that time and both had 16gbs of ram . . . any gamer in their right mind would get 16gb on a rig, hell windows 7 and 10 soak up 1-2gb on their own ffs, not including anything else you have running . . . oh and i paid 40$US for 2x8gb GEiL veloce ram lmao, ddr3 is cheap as shit and has been for a few years now" Where in there did you mention a sale? Where? Tell me where. You only said that ddr3 is cheap as shit, but the reality is not. You never mention anything about a sale, yet you specified that you 'specifically said' that it was on sale. Where exactly did you 'specifically' say that? Unless, you were someone else who answered earlier with a different username? You also did not ever say anything about the GeIL being your 'current' rig. Where did you say that, man? Where? Show me where. I can't read minds, you know. What I quoted above was ALL that you said. How can I imagine what you never said? Am I God?
apologies on the sale comment, it was implied when i stated that i had paid 40us for my ram, but i never said it explicitly(too much to hope for common sense nowadays, my bad) . . . although why anyone would pay full price for an entire build is beyond me . . . full price for a single bit that i need to fix said rig maybe, but never EVER full price for the entire rig, are you mad? . . . although even at full price and building intel/nvidia, youd still pay less for your initial rig than would cost you to get a console and a decent games collection lmfao
First of all, you specifically said "specifically said" when in reality there was no such thing. Be mature about it and don't insult others who call you out on your mistake. Stop moving the goalpost. As for paying full price, hello, do shops close when stuff are not on sale? Do people not buy when it's not on sale? Are stores empty of customers when they are not having a sale? I don't know which great king of which great race of which great empire you think you are, but your common sense is not everyone's common sense. I'm pretty sure that your common sense is not even the same as someone in your neighbourhood.
so what you are saying is, that you have no common sense(called as such because most people usually have it) and that you have no clue how to handle money, since literally everyone ive ever known waits for sales to purchase expensive things . . . especially when they have to scrounge their money . . . as for moving the goalpost, how does me saying that its common sense to wait for sales imply that stores are closed when not running sales? whos moving the goalpost now . . . oh also im tired of your lack of a brain, so im blocking you now
Yeeeeeesssss, another insulting message by Daisho Ember! Insults after insults, like a child fresh off momma's teats when not getting his way at the playground. Why don't you instead of insulting people who don't share you views, to accept that you made a mistake and give actual facts. I was preparing my links just dying to counter your lies and insults. You just had to have the last say, did you?
Shiina Ai I feel your pain, I really do. I'm still running an old acer laptop and it cost me an arm and a leg. I don't know how the econ is in Asian countries is but in AUS a PC to run that specs will cost you more then a car. (some may argue that the average Australian wage is A$82,436/year but where I live most of us a barely making A$7,000 a year after tax) chances are most people in this comment thred are American and are probably still under the impression that they are the only country on the planet. not to mention everything is cheep dirt there. Edit: sales are pretty much negligible as i'm never in the area when they're on, so the price would be made up for in delivery and it ends up being cheaper it at full price.
lol don't give me that BS. Due to medical condition i live on support for the past 5 years now and that's 800 Euro/Month after Taxes and all costs, that leaves around 190 Euro to live from and i still managed to save enough money in the past years to upgrade to a new system this year. Ryzen 5 3600, MSI B450-A Pro, 16GB DDR4 3200, 480GB m.2 NVME, 1TB SSD, All for a bit less than 500 Euros.
would that be the water and oil bug where the enemy just keeps spawning no matter what? hell, after tearing apart 16 of the pricks and then dying, i went and got a trainer just to test, and they literally keep spawning forever . . . their entire army is apparently in that scout aquadron
No, the one that was the problem caused the quest tracking to fail, resulting in you not being able to progress the story stuff in any way. They fixed it in the actual game, but I haven't tried to get a copy from here yet to see if it is still present.
This is a nice .... DEMO . The "game" is like 2 hours long if you dont rush things...or you play thru in 45 minutes. What a joke even for early access. But i like the style....too bad its gonna take forever for this to have reasonable content i fear. The filesize shouldve given it away ...only 2GB with quite ok graphics. Runs well @4k ultra on a normal 1080 and didnt crash once or present any obvious bugs to me. Also they managed to shove in so obvious identity politics into that small amount of product that it started to annoy me. Every good character is female all douchebags,stupid, evil or unimportant figures are male and if they arent negatively connoted ..they are coincidentially members of a non anglo/european ethnic group. You play the female captain of a republic warship and theres absolutely nothing about her that has any trace of originality.
You do realize that this game has more than just the prologue? Also, your idea of filesize is disturbing... modern games must've completely broken your understanding of size. A game being "just" 2GB doesn't stop it from offering more playtime and content than most triple A's as of recently.
IGG doesn't always respond to requests. When you're getting hundreds of requests every single day, you can't be expected to respond to every one of them. This is why you're allowed to make 1 request per 24 hours. You're meant to keep making the request every 24 hours until it is either fulfilled or you are given a reason as to why it cannot be fulfilled. You can see which requests have been fulfilled by looking at the list of requested games, which is on the request section and gets updated every 3 days. Besides, putting requests on random comment walls isn't going to increase the chances of them being fulfilled. All you're doing is wasting your time. IGG only looks in 1 single place for requests, and that place is the request section. Any requests put anywhere else will not be seen.
It's just the recommended, As in when they recommend i7 CPU when you can easily get 60 fps with a i5.
If you need more than that, there will be only less than 2% of computer users that can play your game with majority customers mostly coming from America, UK, Germany, Japan, Korea and China. That's why game development in recent years is a serious risk. You're making games that most people can't play, thus you're not making enough sales despite spending a lot of money, that's why game companies go bankrupt and sell out to companies like EA.
p/s: I had had a look at the graphics of this game. And it didn't justify the high system requirements. The developer simply had too many polygons when textures could easily achieve the same effect for less resources. But if the developer used Unity engine to make the game, then it's probably not his fault for the high system requirements. Unity engine simply has high baseline requirements and everything the developer does only builds up on the high system requirements. It's like building a skyscraper on Mount Everest.
Look at the steam hardware surveys and you'll see that 38% of gamers have 16GB of RAM, followed by 33.99% using 8GB.
My motherboard cant handle more than 8GB in total and since its DDR3 Ill just waste money from switching 4 to 8. And for possible switching to DDR4 Ill have to buy completely new motherboard and CPU which are pretty expensive overall and wont give any benefits for anything but a few heavy 'sandboxes' and some poorly made games without proper optimisations...not a big waste.
My point, from the very start, was that there is no need for such a high system requirement. The graphics are no better than what you get from a game in the late 2000s, the performance is also sluggish. The majority of computer users in the world are not regular gamers, and making such a high system requirement means these people will never even try to be your customers, further reducing the market for games as casuals can't be bothered to abide by the high system requirements expected of them to try playing a game.
There are only two reasons why there is such a high system requirement:
By making games that most people can't play, they are making games that are not paying the bills. The cost of development is still the same, but because they pander to the top of the line rigs, those casual gamers are not going to buy it, so despite having large expenses, they're not getting any profit and ends up bankrupt. Instead of high system requirements and pretty graphics, optimization techniques and better gameplay should be considered as priority.
Of course, the original complain about unnecessary high system requirement is always pushed aside by the elites of 10% (this is approximation) who have the top of the best rigs saying "OMG! I've had awesome rigs since forever, Every scrubs should shut up and catch up!" And it just keeps going worse from there with he say and she say.
An instant fix for the problem would be to stop making games using Unity engine. Even Unreal Engine 4 (with its higher base system requirement) is more stable and prettier than Unity engine. The same game made in Unreal Engine 4 can have lower system requirement, prettier graphic and smoother performance than one made in Unity.
Macbooks are even less suited for any games but Facebook casual ones.
In addition, since you mention Asia, the number 1 platform for gaming in Asia is mobile. Consoles are way less popular in comparison, PCs a lot less even.
x. - I may have a high end PC now, but back in 2005 I bought a dual core powered desktop with 4 Gb RAM for games. I paid 300£ for it. It's been 14 years, you bet I'd have upgraded since then.
I do agree with your point though. Take a look at the very best game ever made (not up for discussion - it's a fact) Witcher 3 - minimum 6 Gb RAM, recommended 8 Gb RAM. No game should require 16 just yet, especially one that doesn't have all that much going on in it.
You still can play minimum reqs, but don't expect top quality gaming.
With the new rigs that came out last xmas, expect to go quantum.
It's probably fine for you guys since your average monthly household income was $4280 back then. Now imagine the rest of the world (with the exception of UK, and some European countries), with its higher component prices and lower average income. In that same year in Singapore, it was over Sing$150. In Malaysia, just across the strait from Singapore, it was RM300, some brands reaching up to RM500 (USD122) for an 8GB.
How much do you think 16 GB cost now? In Singapore, it costs S$129. In Malaysia, it costs RM295. In Japan, it costs ¥10,520. These are oftentimes, 10% to 15% of a person's monthly salary and then there's tax, which if applied raises these prices further. This is only for a 16GB RAM. It doesn't include the GPU, motherboard, and the price of the game itself.
You and your friends have 16 gigs? That's great, you guys definitely play games together, right? Call of Duty? Battlefront? Medal of Honor? Now go out on the streets, make a survey to random people at a mall somewhere and ask them how many RAMs do they have.
I'm sure you will say DDR3 is cheaper, but there is no point in getting DDR3 now, because DDR3 does not work with DDR4 and DDR3 is being sold cheaper because it's being phased out. DDR3 motherboards won't work with DDR4 motherboards. So you'd wasting money trying to be cheap, but in reality you'd just spending more money later on because you have to buy a new motherboard for the new DDR4 RAMs when you finally want to upgrade. They don't work together.
How did you get it for USD40, I wonder. Unless you mean you bought it now, then yeah, they want to get rid of their stock so of course they'd sell it cheap. As I mentioned, there is no point in getting a DDR3 now and its motherboards now, not when you want to upgrade within the next few years.
But then again, I had a look just now at a parts seller and I can't find any 2x8GB GeIL Evo Veloce DDR3-2400 being sold at USD40. They're still being sold at around USD80 from what I've googled. Can you point me to where it's sold at USD40? I can't even find it at that price on ebay, unless I'm missing something?
"as someone who has been broke due to a disability for over 7yrs, ive had two seperate rigs in that time and both had 16gbs of ram . . . any gamer in their right mind would get 16gb on a rig, hell windows 7 and 10 soak up 1-2gb on their own ffs, not including anything else you have running . . . oh and i paid 40$US for 2x8gb GEiL veloce ram lmao, ddr3 is cheap as shit and has been for a few years now"
Where in there did you mention a sale? Where? Tell me where. You only said that ddr3 is cheap as shit, but the reality is not. You never mention anything about a sale, yet you specified that you 'specifically said' that it was on sale. Where exactly did you 'specifically' say that? Unless, you were someone else who answered earlier with a different username?
You also did not ever say anything about the GeIL being your 'current' rig. Where did you say that, man? Where? Show me where. I can't read minds, you know. What I quoted above was ALL that you said. How can I imagine what you never said? Am I God?
I don't know which great king of which great race of which great empire you think you are, but your common sense is not everyone's common sense. I'm pretty sure that your common sense is not even the same as someone in your neighbourhood.
Edit: sales are pretty much negligible as i'm never in the area when they're on, so the price would be made up for in delivery and it ends up being cheaper it at full price.
example: 0.2.0.2.4 for BtS
btw: Steamversion 0.2.0.3.3
On a more related note, seems like the kind of game that anyone would want to wait a few updates so it has more content in general.
its gonna take forever for this to have reasonable content i fear. The filesize shouldve given it away ...only 2GB with quite ok graphics. Runs well @4k ultra on a normal 1080 and didnt crash once or present any obvious bugs to me. Also they managed to shove in so obvious identity politics into that small amount of product that it started to annoy me. Every good character is female all douchebags,stupid, evil or unimportant figures are male and if they arent negatively connoted ..they are coincidentially members of a non anglo/european ethnic group. You play the female captain of a republic warship and theres absolutely nothing about her that has any trace of originality.
Maybe find another hobby?
Also, your idea of filesize is disturbing... modern games must've completely broken your understanding of size. A game being "just" 2GB doesn't stop it from offering more playtime and content than most triple A's as of recently.
Besides, putting requests on random comment walls isn't going to increase the chances of them being fulfilled. All you're doing is wasting your time. IGG only looks in 1 single place for requests, and that place is the request section. Any requests put anywhere else will not be seen.
next one is mine