Listen to me, I speak fluent Chinese. If a game only supports Chinese, don't play it because that means it's not a good game, at least it's not a complete game.
Similar to a lot of Chinese Steam users leave negative comments just because the game doesn't support Chinese. Chinese developers are also ashamed if they don't offer English as one of the translations (Even if it was AI translated).
A Chinese game + no English = Either 100% rubbish / in such an early development stage, either way, it's not worth playing it.
English not supported. Perhaps sometime in the future the dev can start with an English Interface translation (Easiest and least expensive). If a fan base develops and increases, perhaps English Subtitles can be added (Most difficult and most expensive). See my explanation about translation. Update notice (1/2) 06/25/24 - Update: Don't want to wait for a proper English Translation of a non-English supported game but want to play the game now? You can try to use the freeware "LunaTranslator" combination text hooker (text grabber) and language translator application (GitHub page | Download page) to machine translate or AI translate the game's native text into English (Note: Machine translation is 1:1, word for word translation. Some ideas may get "lost in the translation". AI translation attempts to mimic a natural speaker's translation of a language into English (I haven't tried this method yet)).
See the verbose "How to" demo video posted by "Daiya" on YouTube (Note: From her dialogue in the video, Daiya seems to be a teenage girl, so try to bear with the "quirkiness" of her dialogue with the viewer [you]. She set LunaTranslator to use AI translation [See the improved English translated, purple text in the screenshot]).
08/18/24 - Update: If you're having problems with how to set up LunaTranslator before launching a VN then watch "superange128"'s finely detailed tutorial video on YouTube! I have set the link to advance to the precise pos in the video where he begins to explain how to set up LunaTranslator.
In the past, I personally have used the AGTH (Anime Games Text Hooker application with the Atlas Japanese-English translator application) to try to play untranslated Japanese H-games with machine translation and just discovered this combination text hooker and translator application that supports AI translation (An improvement over machine translation) so, if you have any in-depth questions then it's best to visit the dev, "HIllya51"'s Q&A page on GitHub. Source: Steam page.
Sauce (source)? Can you show a screenshot of or link to a page with those warnings? Anyway, if you have any issues with Luna Translator then post them in the dev's Q&A page on Github (See my post above). He may just address them. Also, no one is forcing you to use Luna Translator. If it's not for you and you'd prefer to use some other combination text hooker and translator then go right ahead.
I have been using the program for a long time. Yes, your AV will try to scare you (OP is wrong for implying you can't get any false positives), but Luna is safe. Nonetheless, if you don't want to risk it, it's your choice to make.
It was not clear what "alwayscorrectstclock" meant when he wrote "warnings". I thought that he meant (program) warnings from Luna Translator itself and not "False Positive" (detections) from any AntiVirus application. If you directly downloaded the game from the dev's GitHub page and get a "False Positive" from your AV then inform the dev so that he can in turn, inform GitHub to clean it up.
I never implied that anyone's AntiVirus application would not detect any "False Positives" after downloading Luna translator. Theoretically, there shouldn't be any or the probability is minimal since Luna Translator is freeware, not commercial software and is not cracked in any way. The GitHub system itself may be prone to viruses transmitted from any one of its many visitors and possibly, subsequently become infected by their machine (Viruses can propagate form one machine to another). Specify exactly where in what I wrote did I make any such implications?!
It is you who is wrong by misinterpreting, in your own mind, what I wrote!
From what you wrote, I don't know whether you're trying to pose as a "bigoted Chinese person" (This is the World and anything is possible, including black racists like Louis Farrakhan and insane nut-cases like the former North Korean dictator Kim Jung IL who thought that North Korea is the true master race) in the hopes of stirring racial hatred towards the Chinese people as a backlash to your statement or if you're just making an honest statement.
Your profile page which only has this 1 comment post to its credit would suggest that your "dgdts" account is an alias account which you're using to try to keep your main account "clean". You're not a new member as a new member would try to, at best, get to know the community or how things work in this site and try to post a positive message as his/her very first comment rather than a negative message and at worst, post a neutral message. After all, who in their right mind would want to get off with a "bad" start as a brand new member?
If the former is the case then you failed miserably! If it is truly the latter case then know that Chinese is a very difficult language to learn (As are German and Japanese. The easiest to learn is Spanish, which I learned in college. I actually like the Spanish and Hispanic cultures so getting to learn Spanish formally was a plus for me). Not many non-Chinese people have the time to devote to learn how to write or speak Chinese fluently. That's why there are text hookers which work in conjunction with offline and online Chinese to English dictionaries and applications like "Luna Translator" (Works with AI translators like DeepL) which can try to provide people with translation services, freeing those who don't have the time to devote to learn Chinese but who are still interested in the culture, to be able to enjoy it!
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Exactly—this reflects my view perfectly. The world should embrace more Chinese-language content. You mentioned Chinese is notoriously difficult to master, but isn’t English equally challenging? As a native Chinese speaker, I’ve invested immense time and effort into learning English—not because historically colonialist nations imposed it globally, but because I genuinely wanted to access the knowledge and experiences embedded in English. Similarly, if others wish to engage with Chinese content, they should adapt to its cultural context rather than expect Chinese speakers to accommodate them. Language learning is a bridge to cultures, not a one-way street. Mutual cultural adaptation fosters deeper understanding—that’s the core of my argument.
This is not the place where you deliver your "core" message. This is a game site. Your comment was so offensive to many people, including me. English is much easier than Character-based languages. For example, in English, you just need to know 26 alphabets, and you will know how to write. Do not need any further pratices in writing like Chinese. This is one of the advantage in string-based language. I do not think Chinese has this advantage.
According to AI, they have 6,500 characters are used in daily. This is a hell to string-based languages user. They need to memorize all of them with no alphabet.
That's still a lot to know in order to order some food in a restaurant. If you can't do that then you'll starve even though you have money to pay for your food.
I think it will be a pain for the foreigner who do not know their food name. Sometimes they add meaningless (fortune meaning) name to the food in order to get luck when they order the food.
@Dazed.N.Confused Everything has a different value for different people. Just like you said. I'm not anti Chinese, but the way of some chinese are doing make me feel bad. We cannot even start a proper conversation. We can have different values but they cannot understand. Maybe I'm getting tired of them.
@A Pro Gamer - I'll have to answer your previous comment here since there's no "Reply" link in your previous comment - We've reached the maximum limit of reply comments for a FastComments thread.
Right. It's been said that "Anything worth having, is worth the effort". (To a certain degree though, IMHO).
IMHO, it's all about a given person's particular perspective. I'm a natural born citizen of a primarily English speaking country and my heritage is Chinese, so for me, English was easy to learn since I spoke it as soon as I was able to talk (I'm a native speaker of English). Trying to learn (read and write in) Chinese, especially speaking and understanding Mandarin, was extremely difficult for me at the young age of five and still is, now that I'm an adult. I'm not proud of that fact but anyway, my family spoke mainly Cantonese as well as English like many of the people in my neighborhood when I was growing up, so even Mandarin is a foreign (dialect) language to me even though my parents could speak it. This is from my "first hand", personal experience!
Hmm ... "... colonialist nations" - From your writing, it sounds like you're living in or near a port city like Shanghai, Tianjin, Hankou, Macau or Hong Kong but less likely the last two since most of the people in Hong Kong and Macau mainly speak Cantonese, unlike in the other Chinese port cities who mainly speak Mandarin, the "official" Chinese national language.
While some people who already have some knowledge of how to read, write and speak in Chinese may want engage in the "full experience" of Chinese culture by adapting to its cultural context, others who do not have as much knowledge but still want to sample some experience of the Chinese culture but who may not have the resources, like time and money, to devote to learning it fluently in order to be able to have the "full experience" of discovering the Chinese culture, should not be excluded by barriers such as the in-depth requirement beforehand of which you wrote so highly. That kind of argument/attitude is not conducive to sharing the Chinese culture with all others (Non-Chinese) and in fact, it makes the culture more isolated as it was during "Chairman Mao's" reign!
We may share the same heritage but we definitely do not share the same views about how to go about sharing the Chinese culture but that's alright. To each their own.
Indeed, "real" natives of Hong Kong and Macau will not act like this. I have 0 patiance for this kind of people while you can speak to them. I appriciate what you are doing (Trying to communicate with them).
Based on the snobbish, elitist attitude in his writing, dgdts, sounds like one of those persons living in a predominately Mandarin speaking area (Northern China) who thinks that the World is centered around China and that all should bow down to them. He probably hasn't journeyed outside of China before or hasn't been exposed to the reality of Anti-Asian hate that has been alarmingly prevalent all over the World outside of China. He probably doesn't understand how important it is to counter such hate with more easy accessibility to the Chinese culture so that other people [Non-Asians] can have a better understanding of that which once was shrouded in the past as a mystery. Only understanding can break down barriers and dispel fear and hate (Humans often fear and/or hate what they don't understand).
If they knew how Japanese "exported" their culture, they could know how to do better. They will never realise why we hate them.
Edit: The world hates Chinese, not Japanese. I mean Chinese should learn Japanese on how they export their cultures if Chinese wants to export their own culture.
It's not clear who you are referring to (Japanese or Chinese) but either way, I wouldn't call it hate but rather not appreciate not being able to understand them if they spoke in their native languages instead of in English. I have friends who are native Japanese and friends who are native Chinese.
Also, if you're an English speaker and you visit Japan, they also have "Romaji" which is the Japanese way of accommodating visitors who do not know how to read and write in Japanese.
Yes about Romanji - It is strictly for use by visitors to Japan who don't know the Japanese language. None of the Japanese will use it.
"Kanji" are the Chinese characters that have been "adopted" into the Japanese language. "Kanji" literally breaks down into "Chinese writing". "Kan" is how the Japanese refer to the Chinese "Han" people who are the forefathers of all modern day Chinese people and "Ji" is a direct reference to the Chinese "ji" which means writing. And yes, the original meaning behind each Chinese character may [But not always] change when used in context within the Japanese language. That's why some Japanese can vaguely read and understand Chinese but some Chinese may have difficulty reading and understanding Japanese. There's YouTube videos about it: Can Chinese read and understand Japanese and Can Japanese read and understand Chinese. The Japanese fared better.
It is advisable to continue waiting for the game to be optimized. Versions after 0.11.51, latest 0.11.55, read save, AI opponent turn, often freezes. You can only quit the game and restart it.
Similar to a lot of Chinese Steam users leave negative comments just because the game doesn't support Chinese. Chinese developers are also ashamed if they don't offer English as one of the translations (Even if it was AI translated).
A Chinese game + no English = Either 100% rubbish / in such an early development stage, either way, it's not worth playing it.
English not supported. Perhaps sometime in the future the dev can start with an English Interface translation (Easiest and least expensive). If a fan base develops and increases, perhaps English Subtitles can be added (Most difficult and most expensive). See my explanation about translation.
Update notice (1/2)
06/25/24 - Update:
Don't want to wait for a proper English Translation of a non-English supported game but want to play the game now?
See the verbose "How to" demo video posted by "Daiya" on YouTube (Note: From her dialogue in the video, Daiya seems to be a teenage girl, so try to bear with the "quirkiness" of her dialogue with the viewer [you]. She set LunaTranslator to use AI translation [See the improved English translated, purple text in the screenshot]).
08/18/24 - Update:
If you're having problems with how to set up LunaTranslator before launching a VN then watch "superange128"'s finely detailed tutorial video on YouTube! I have set the link to advance to the precise pos in the video where he begins to explain how to set up LunaTranslator.
In the past, I personally have used the AGTH (Anime Games Text Hooker application with the Atlas Japanese-English translator application) to try to play untranslated Japanese H-games with machine translation and just discovered this combination text hooker and translator application that supports AI translation (An improvement over machine translation) so, if you have any in-depth questions then it's best to visit the dev, "HIllya51"'s Q&A page on GitHub.
Source: Steam page.
Anyway, if you have any issues with Luna Translator then post them in the dev's Q&A page on Github (See my post above). He may just address them. Also, no one is forcing you to use Luna Translator. If it's not for you and you'd prefer to use some other combination text hooker and translator then go right ahead.
I never implied that anyone's AntiVirus application would not detect any "False Positives" after downloading Luna translator. Theoretically, there shouldn't be any or the probability is minimal since Luna Translator is freeware, not commercial software and is not cracked in any way. The GitHub system itself may be prone to viruses transmitted from any one of its many visitors and possibly, subsequently become infected by their machine (Viruses can propagate form one machine to another). Specify exactly where in what I wrote did I make any such implications?!
It is you who is wrong by misinterpreting, in your own mind, what I wrote!
Your profile page which only has this 1 comment post to its credit would suggest that your "dgdts" account is an alias account which you're using to try to keep your main account "clean". You're not a new member as a new member would try to, at best, get to know the community or how things work in this site and try to post a positive message as his/her very first comment rather than a negative message and at worst, post a neutral message. After all, who in their right mind would want to get off with a "bad" start as a brand new member?
If the former is the case then you failed miserably!
If it is truly the latter case then know that Chinese is a very difficult language to learn (As are German and Japanese. The easiest to learn is Spanish, which I learned in college. I actually like the Spanish and Hispanic cultures so getting to learn Spanish formally was a plus for me). Not many non-Chinese people have the time to devote to learn how to write or speak Chinese fluently. That's why there are text hookers which work in conjunction with offline and online Chinese to English dictionaries and applications like "Luna Translator" (Works with AI translators like DeepL) which can try to provide people with translation services, freeing those who don't have the time to devote to learn Chinese but who are still interested in the culture, to be able to enjoy it!
However, if a member does not log out of their FastComments user account, the system will usually keep the account logged on for up to 30 days (Not forever - The system doesn't do that) as long as you don't delete the FastComments' cookies on your hard drive - That's how the system keeps track of logged-on accounts. If you have your browser set to delete cookies after it closes then you won't remain as a logged-on user after your browser closes as far as FastComments is concerned.
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Also, there's no alphabet in the Chinese language. Just those 50,000 characters are used in combinations to convey ideas.
@ A Pro Gamer - A reply to your previous message:
Fair enough.
Right. It's been said that "Anything worth having, is worth the effort". (To a certain degree though, IMHO).
On a more positive note, another reason for non-English speaking people to learn English is because it is the language of international trade.
Hmm ... "... colonialist nations" - From your writing, it sounds like you're living in or near a port city like Shanghai, Tianjin, Hankou, Macau or Hong Kong but less likely the last two since most of the people in Hong Kong and Macau mainly speak Cantonese, unlike in the other Chinese port cities who mainly speak Mandarin, the "official" Chinese national language.
While some people who already have some knowledge of how to read, write and speak in Chinese may want engage in the "full experience" of Chinese culture by adapting to its cultural context, others who do not have as much knowledge but still want to sample some experience of the Chinese culture but who may not have the resources, like time and money, to devote to learning it fluently in order to be able to have the "full experience" of discovering the Chinese culture, should not be excluded by barriers such as the in-depth requirement beforehand of which you wrote so highly. That kind of argument/attitude is not conducive to sharing the Chinese culture with all others (Non-Chinese) and in fact, it makes the culture more isolated as it was during "Chairman Mao's" reign!
We may share the same heritage but we definitely do not share the same views about how to go about sharing the Chinese culture but that's alright. To each their own.
Edit: The world hates Chinese, not Japanese.
I mean Chinese should learn Japanese on how they export their cultures if Chinese wants to export their own culture.
Also, if you're an English speaker and you visit Japan, they also have "Romaji" which is the Japanese way of accommodating visitors who do not know how to read and write in Japanese.
"Kanji" are the Chinese characters that have been "adopted" into the Japanese language. "Kanji" literally breaks down into "Chinese writing". "Kan" is how the Japanese refer to the Chinese "Han" people who are the forefathers of all modern day Chinese people and "Ji" is a direct reference to the Chinese "ji" which means writing. And yes, the original meaning behind each Chinese character may [But not always] change when used in context within the Japanese language. That's why some Japanese can vaguely read and understand Chinese but some Chinese may have difficulty reading and understanding Japanese. There's YouTube videos about it: Can Chinese read and understand Japanese and Can Japanese read and understand Chinese. The Japanese fared better.