There is another problem with this. Shooting a gun into the ground is, at least, dangerous and could be considered reckless endangerment. Would you instead not shoot it into the air
Shooting into the air is just as, if not more, dangerous. You can't know where the bullet will land. At least shooting into the ground may result in it staying right there, rather than a ricochet.
Thank you for doing the hard work of going through all these facts. I saw those news articles and figured they were too crazy to be telling the whole truth. This is very helpful. If a man or woman has a newborn in a baby sling on their chest and they start a fight, they have a responsibility for any harm that comes to that newborn as a result of that fight.
A lot of those facts have been reported in the mainstream media, that Jones started the argument, obviously Jones knew she was pregnant, Jemison fired at the ground and the bullet ricocheted, you can't arrest somebody for a could have - the fact is Jones wasn't kicked, she was shot. But you are missing the point. A fetus isn't a person. So you can't murder something that isn't a person. Neither women should have been charged with manslaughter because no human was slaughtered.
Thanks for your comment, Rex. Yes, if you don't believe that a human fetus is a person, then you will naturally disagree with the manslaughter charge, as would I if I believed what you believe. This is precisely one of the main areas of disagreement between pro-life and pro-choice people. Given that I believe that the fetus is a person, and I think I have good arguments for that, I think the manslaughter charge, or something like it, is warranted.
I guess I just don't find any basis for regarding a fetus as an actual human being. Yes, the fetus will develop into a human being eventually. But nothing in the medical literature says a fetus is a living human. Even the Bible doesn't recognize someone as being alive until they are breathing. There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken a breath. In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” So until Job was breathing, he wasn't alive. Perhaps this passage applies even more to the Jones case: In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense. Thus Alabama is being even more harsh to Ms. Jones than people were in the world of the Old Testament. So my question to you is why do you think or other Pro-Life people think a fetus is a person. What forms this belief?
At 5 months pregnant, I believe there are instances where a fetus that far along can in fact survive outside the womb. In my mind the ability to survive outside of the Mother’s body would be a factor to differentiate between “human” and “non human”. In any case, based on the facts of the story I think the mother should be held responsible to some extent. What sort of rights are being taken away in this instance? The right to start a fight with an unsuspecting victim?
It seems like the most harmful crime to society here was the truthslaughter by the media, as reflected in the headlines. Articles like this one are the only remedy we have, though it's never enough.
Great analysis. From the facts laid out thus far, I do think Jones is most culpable, but I do think her grief is adequately punitive enough in this instance. Further, her house burned down after the incident and she's now jobless to compound it all. I can't think that prison would do a better job punishing her for this. And though it shouldn't be the case, it is the reality that optics matter. I think Alabama displays the correct attitude towards unborn life but the optics of this incident gives easy room for pro-aborts to manipulate it for their gain.
Well said. I don't think that the male would be treated any better. One thing I notice w/r/t the pro-life movement is that they would only arrest the doctor, but would claim that the woman was a victim. If she went there of her own volition (wasn't forced by violence, or threat thereof) IMO she's not a victim. What's relevant here, in my opinion, is the rush to excuse women, or give them victim status where it's undeserved. Lets hold both sexes to the same standards. Hitting another person is battery and is a crime, lets not pretend it is only when some do it, but not others.
The news will ALWAYS paint Alabama as racist, sexist, and dumb. They never won't. The consequence of which is the VAST majority of people in Alabama simply don't care what the national news says anymore. Seriously. We just don't. I don't even bother reading headlines with the state name in them, because they're always misleading or straight-up lies, depending on the day. "Everybody's lying about Alabama" don't bother us none. They always do that. That just means it's Tuesday.
But you are missing the point. A fetus isn't a person. So you can't murder something that isn't a person. Neither women should have been charged with manslaughter because no human was slaughtered.
which will grant 'fetal personhood' to unborn babies, and 'recognize
and support the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn
children.'”
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/152103/two-states-approve-abortion-bans-post-roe-america
In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” So until Job was breathing, he wasn't alive.
Perhaps this passage applies even more to the Jones case:
In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall
be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It
should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a
living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is
nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a
capital offense.
Thus Alabama is being even more harsh to Ms. Jones than people were in the world of the Old Testament.
So my question to you is why do you think or other Pro-Life people think a fetus is a person. What forms this belief?
In any case, based on the facts of the story I think the mother should be held responsible to some extent. What sort of rights are being taken away in this instance? The right to start a fight with an unsuspecting victim?
I can't think that prison would do a better job punishing her for this. And though it shouldn't be the case, it is the reality that optics matter. I think Alabama displays the correct attitude towards unborn life but the optics of this incident gives easy room for pro-aborts to manipulate it for their gain.
What's relevant here, in my opinion, is the rush to excuse women, or give them victim status where it's undeserved. Lets hold both sexes to the same standards. Hitting another person is battery and is a crime, lets not pretend it is only when some do it, but not others.
"Everybody's lying about Alabama" don't bother us none. They always do that. That just means it's Tuesday.