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joshbrahm
Violet, I'm leaving this one comment up to tell you that if someone is harassing you, we'd recommend contacting local authorities. The Jim you're dealing with isn't the Jim quoted in the original post above. We can't help you on this issue except to recommend you contact authorities, as harassment is illegal. I hope this issue gets resolved. I'm really sorry you're dealing with a stressful situation.
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violethotson
No, it is not that Jim.
I was not as observant as I should have been in not pointing that out.
I apologize.
I have decided to delete the post to avoid any more misunderstandings.
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joshbrahm
Quick moderator comment here for transparency. I just deleted most of the comments under this post, because a few people had taken over the comments, not to talk about this quote, but to discuss between themselves other topics, from the ACA to pro-life and pro-choice commenters on other sites they don't like to some very personal medical issues. There was also something confusing going on, where a "Jim H" was being talked very negatively about, which would naturally lead people to think that this Jim H refers to the Jim Henderson quoted above, but they were clearly talking about someone else based on the description of him.
As a reminder, our comments policy is linked above every comments section on this site, and off-topic comments will be deleted. I'd recommend people use alternative means of communicating to each other, especially about personal medical issues. That's not what this site is for.
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Crystal
Hi, Val, I was just reading the comments and saw what Ms. Morgan said to you. I thought the way she behaved was dreadfully disgusting and I'm sorry she said something so horrible and hateful. For every kind comment you attempted to send her, she reacted by twisting your words. It's a shame, really, Ms. Morgan seemed to be quite nice to me when we first interacted a long time back. I don't know what changed her, honest I don't. She says your daughter will find out you're a liar and then she says that about your daughter? Man that is, so, like, the most horrible thing that anyone could possibly say! And for someone who will remain nameless to refuse to respond one way or the other, I'm sorry but I don't agree with her actions here.
I think one reason the abortion "rights" movement has survived for so long is that abortion supporters tend to stick together and refuse to be divided by anyone, whereas prolifers care about integrity and are willing to call people out, even their own, over a wrong action or word.
If you show Ms. Morgan's comments to your daughter, you might like to also show the daughter my comments - that I care about her a lot and hope she gets healed so she can really enjoy her life.
BTW, please tell me, how's your daughter going with her treatments and life in general? I know it's been a long time and I apologise for not getting back to this earlier. I hope she is going well, and that treatments are helping her. Please know that I may not be back for a while after posting this, because of the pressing projects that I have to complete plus a million other matters to attend to. Nevertheless, you and yours are in my thoughts, a lot more than you know.
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74msn64decks
I have a suggestion for what has happened with ms Morgan: Her brain has rotted, and her heart as well.
Seriously, the change you describe, combined with the lack of touch with reality suggests to me that she’s either psychotic or suffering from a brain damage.
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Elahatterol
That sounds similar to what I posted a few comments up.
https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/quotes/jim-henderson-quote/#comment-3762438695
Since she is obviously mentally ill, it is possible that her brother has a mental illness condition on top of, and possibly not even totally related, to his Downs.
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74msn64decks
Yes, that is possible. Perhaps neither him nor Ann have been properly diagnostized.
Pretty frightening to think that a mentally ill and disabled man is taken care of by a sister who is also mentally ill! Like a blind leading a blind. Ann would need care herself, rather than being caregiver.
Honestly, her hateful commentary makes me wonder, not only what kind of a caregiver she is, but also if her brother’s problems- and her and her mother’s problems with him- might have worsened thanks to her.
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Elahatterol
One can only imagine how AM interacts with her mother and brother, or what her REAL family situation is, but there is very likely more to it than what she is posting.
I remember, awhile back, that PJ4 seemed to have some inside info on her situation that made AM look pretty bad, but she didn't really specify what it was.
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74msn64decks
True, probably she leaves out some parts, parts that would have shown a truer picture of her interactions with her family, which likely is not pretty.
I remember that PJ seemed to have inside info on more than one of the SPL pro-aborts ( she also seemed to have info on Jim), I remember she said that "All will be revealed in time." I guess we will get the specifications then. Wonder what it is that she has found.
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Elahatterol
It would be interesting to see what she (thinks) she has.
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74msn64decks
Agreed!
I have seen her on other sites, telling a little about pro-aborts she has been fighting- she had caught another troll, known on Disqus as ”Ella”, guilty of impersonation, threats, and other offences on Facebook. Perhaps Ann ( and Jim) are guilty of similar things there? I don’t know.
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Elahatterol
Even though PJ4 does not post near as much as she used to, she does seem to spend time trying to 'find things out' about various posters.
It seems like that would take a lot of time, and I really wouldn't know how to do it, myself.
A bit off topic, but have you had difficulty getting to this (and other) sites, especially to specific comments?
I seem to have more problems with that on this site, and on Patheos, than I do on either LAN or SPL, which seems a bit odd.
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74msn64decks
I don´t know how to "find out" things about other posters, except when they have left a clue on their profiles of course.
I am sorry you have trouble getting to this site. That has not been a problem for me. On the other hand, I have had a bit of trouble getting to specific comments on SPL when I use my phone.
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Elahatterol
Well, congratulations on getting a phone!
Can I ask if you have a job yet?
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74msn64decks
Thanks! I bought it on July 31, it was well worth the money. An Iphone, if you wonder. Has made commenting easier than before, among other things.
On the job issue, I have not gotten a job quite yet, but I got a call today from a company that are interested in me and wanted to ask some questions. Since I did not have time to talk right then, and the lady that called was just about to go home for today, we agreed that I call them tomorrow. If I am lucky, I will start working for them on either April 6 or April 20. It is an electrics company, I will do customer service if they hire me, answering questions and stuff like that. I will work full time. Wish me luck! :-)
I am also waiting for news from 14 other companies, so I feel fairly optimistic.
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Elahatterol
It definately sounds like you have a lot of 'irons in the fire', and I wish you luck.
The electronics one sounds like it would be fun.
I hope that eventually my son Raymond can get into something like that.
Cell phones can be good.
I had one for years before I did much with it (besides making calls), but I now know that they can do a lot more than that.
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74msn64decks
Thank you! Yes, I do have many ”irons in the fire” ( a saying we have in Swedish too, BTW), my parents think it almost sounds crazy the way I’ve applied for work lately.
I made the call two hours ago, it went well. After having let me ask a couple of questions, the lady made a short first interview with me. After having completed it, she told me I answered the questions really well, which felt good to hear.
Afterwards, she sent me an email with some tests to do. I plan to do them this evening.
Once I have done the tests, I will get to know in a few days if I get invited for an interview in their office. After that will follow a group recruitment meeting on either March 1 or March 15, if I am lucky.
I used to have a really simple cell phone before this one- a Nokia. A good phone, but not possible to access the Internet or check emails with. On the other hand, I used it for seven years, and still have it in reserve, so it was well designed.
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Elahatterol
Interesting that the Swedish have the "irons in the fire" saying, also.
Since you know and write in both languages, I bet that you know all the words and praises that our languages have in common.
With the determined way that you are job seeking, you may actually find yourself with MORE spare time when you find one.
It sounds like your parents are proud of you, as they should be.
Even when I had a cell several years ago that included the internet, I basically just used it as a phone.
It is only in the last few years that I have been using it for much more.
Basically, I use either my phone or a 10-year-old laptop for the internet--usually my phone.
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74msn64decks
BTW, Val, WGC posted some lyrics on the ”We were told not to say baby” thread on LAN that I think you might like :-)
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Elahatterol
I saw that.
You inspired him, too!
It is quite descriptive.
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74msn64decks
Yes it is. I thought it was a good celebration of us and of the LAN community, very fitting lyrics.
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74msn64decks
Yes, I know the words and phrases and sayings that Swedish and English have in common. Which are many; our languages are, after all, closely related. And, when it comes to sayings, people of course learn from one another, too.
Well, who knows? :-)
Yes, I think my parents are proud of me, though particularly my mom seems to get somewhat nervous on my behalf as well when the subject of work is brought up.
I started using my phone for the Internet a couple of weeks after I had bought it. It´s good not having to use my laptop every time I want to access Internet ( yeah, I also use either phone or laptop- my laptop is about three years younger than yours).
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Crystal
I think you meant to say "rotted".
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74msn64decks
Yes, that was what I meant, thanks!
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Crystal
One major strength in abortion supporters' arguments is the workings of the brain. The brain is the seat of personhood, according to them, because the science shows it. That's why she was asking me all those questions about brain-death. I suspect my psychopath might have gotten me involved in that conversation in the first place as well, but I am not sure.
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Crystal
She might have sent me an aggressive message but only once or twice from what I remember.
What do you think of all that?
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74msn64decks
To me, that sounds fascinating, since in my experience, she is aggressive most of the time, when talking to me and other pro-lifers.
Whether it is because she actually likes you, or because she just wishes to manipulate you, I do not know.
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Crystal
She was one of those who made me feel welcome at a place I no longer comment at, too. She actually made me feel accepted and cared about despite our disagreements on PL. Not only that, she actually engaged in civil conversation with me. She is quite capable of engaging in civil conversation when she wants to. That is one reason I am very disappointed and angered with her actions towards Val, a lady I consider to be one of my dearest friends.
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74msn64decks
Sounds a bit like my own experience with Jim, what you describe about Ann.
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Crystal
Just a quick clarification before I depart - she was mean to other PLers before she met me, but she always seemed to treat me a little differently from the rest, although she did avoid me at least once when I said hi. But - so far anyway - she hasn't sent me aggressive messages. I do have to keep rather a stern tone when speaking to her, though, otherwise I might land in a mess. We haven't interacted for a while, though.
One time I was interacting with her (and a few others) somewhere else. The things she said about brain-death were so foreign to my thinking that I struggled to respond to what she was saying, although I really tried. My psychopath - the one with many names - told me I must go back and answer Ms. Morgan's comments. I did and I found most of what I had said had been flagged. I don't think Ms. Morgan was responsible for that but I do think the strict rules of that forum were - I suspect my psychopath flagged what I wrote now, too.
I will now repeat her illustration, as best I can remember (if I find the link I'll share it): she asked me, if I had to choose between someone who was brain-dead and a person who was not brain-dead but injured so severely they would die if I didn't help them, who would I choose to save? Also, she said - and I've heard this argument before - well, let's just say I will have to try hard to remember but it was definitely relating to brain-death and the heart and if I do, can I tell you please? Plus she said that if you make a brain-transplant from Person A to Person B and Person A was an evil person then Person B is responsible for Person A's actions because Person A's brain was the one that engineered the murders, even though Person B is perfectly innocent of the crime. Weird, weird stuff. My mind shuts down when confronted by those kinds of ideas. My psychopath noticed, and remarked on it. One of my psychopath's favourite accusations for me was "cognitive dissonance."
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74msn64decks
Ann loves that sort of absurd hypotheticals, and all sorts of other absurdities, so what you describe here doesn´t surprise me. Interesting that she treats you differently.
Your psychopath sounds like a real control freak asshole.
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Elahatterol
Cute video.
Amanda's issues are complicated.
I see some of her mental issues as similar to what her dad has, likely being complicated by the synergistic effects of her meds, trauma she has been through, and her untreated physical problems.
You can see that could be a toxic combination for depression, distortion of reality, and temper issues.
I will let you know how her next appointment goes.
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Crystal
I'm sorry to hear about what she has suffered. I've said before, I've got huge issues with the way the medical system uses and abuses its patients like guinea pigs :(
You and your daughter are in my thoughts - often. Please know that.
Is there any way she can come off those meds without complicating issues? I admit to struggling with temper issues myself, unfortunately, so I can sympathise.
Here is a natural treatment I recommend looking into:
https://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/default.htm
https://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/fibromyalgia-herbs-and-supplements#1
https://www.verywell.com/turmeric-for-fibromyalgia-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-715988
http://www.drliptan.com/blog/2017/6/7/effective-natural-pain-relief-for-fibromyalgia
Here's a song for her; I know it's not a cat vid but the message is very important:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVLFw5eR250
One last thing - I'm sorry to have to say this but since I am extremely busy at the moment with RL duties, I thought you should know I either might not or won't comment for a while, although I could pop in occasionally (in other words, you could either see me more rarely than you do now, or not see me at all for a while). I very much appreciated being told about your daughter and hope to hear more about how she's going (plus anything else you want to share with me) when I can.
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Elahatterol
Unfortunately, this is all I could find of your comment that dropped out.
If you could try again, I would appreciate it.
Crystal’s comment is in reply to Val:
Visit Val's profile
On a brighter note, thanks again for the animal videos.
Amanda sent me this one yesterday, and I admit I did not know that our ...
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Crystal
Also, cats are smart, funny, and cuddly :)
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74msn64decks
I´ve heard about the shooting, and just did some more research. Sounds like the deed of a lone madman, I wonder what drove him to suddenly get this violent. Victims of his risking financial ruin is indeed sad, anyway. A real disaster.
I keep hoping for the best, it is good that your persuasion of your daughter had effect at last.
You´re most welcome.
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Elahatterol
No one yet knows what the motive was.
It was beyond senseless!
The shooter was elderly-- very atypical.
Related to this issue is the need for more people with such tendencies to have mental health treatment available (NOT CUT) to hopefully prevent tragedies like this.
And please don't get me started on how individuals like that are able to get automatic weapons in the first place!
Have to go to work.
I have a lot to do today.
I am sure Crystal told you about Mark and Cynthia--new prolife posters on SPL?
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Crystal
Cynthia is an abortion supporter.
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Elahatterol
Sorry for miss-reporting.
I think I was running a bit late for work and really just skimmed yours/hers remarks.
I have made a few comments on that thread (to Mark, Cynthia, and you)--all of them quite different.
I will see what responses I get.
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74msn64decks
Undeniably a very tragic case. Society definitely needs to take better care of the mentally ill, that is for sure.
Crystal has mentioned one of the new posters, but she said to me that I shouldn´t comment about him here- only at SPL and LAN, I didn´t really understand why that matters, but am trying to do as she says.
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Elahatterol
I just commented a little on the thread--not mentioning that Crystal introduced me to it.
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74msn64decks
Okay.
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Crystal/Jenny
Hi there, I'm sorry to hear that.
I'm glad you convinced her to go ahead with it though.
I'm not sure why she felt that way, can you explain?
If she starts feeling that way again, remind her that she is not a burden. She is a very special person in your life and you have her back all the way.
You care about her, Val. You and she will get through this. My thoughts are with you.
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Elahatterol
She only left a voice message today saying that I can call, which I will try to do tomorrow.
She is still hesitant.
I hope they can convince her if she gets a consult appointment.
Often times, she is just not thinking straight--and when I try to reason with her, she gets angry.
She has depression in addition to physical pain.
Sometimes, she turns her anger on to me, and really lashes out at me for NO reason.
That hurts a lot.
Other times (and this seems to be one), she just sees herself as a 'useless burden' on me.
I don't know why she can't just be decent to me, AND see that she has self-worth at the same time.
If her pain gets under control, her mental state will be next.
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Crystal
I am sorry to hear that she is going through this and lashing out at you because of it. I wish I knew what to say to help. But I think she lashes out because she feels as if she's not in control of anything. Believing you are not in control of your life, and wanting to be, will certainly make you lash out; I know from experience.
"Other times (and this seems to be one), she just sees herself as a 'useless burden' on me."
We need to keep reminding her that she is anything but that.
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Elahatterol
Have you seen this LAN thread?
Jen is back to talk about her experience in Ireland in her "save the 8th" group.
https://www.liveaction.org/news/ireland-rape-survivors-bullied-sharing-pro-life-testimony-courageously-continue-speak/
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Crystal/Jenny
Yeah, I have. Gosh, she's wonderful. A brave lady.
When I think of rape victims and whether they should have an abortion or not, I think of Rebecca Kiessling, and her lived experiences. I don't want to deny her lived experiences. Apparently, some abortion supporters (not all) can't stand the idea that someone might have lived experiences different from their own and try to suppress that information, a tactic contrary to the stated principles of the left, which claims to honour the lived experiences of the oppressed.
Would you be comfortable with inviting JenAgain here? If you were, I'd love to see her again.
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JenAgain 🌷

It took me a while. Life has been crazy! I'm here though! You give me too much credit but I do appreciate your kind words. Rebecca and I had a blast in Ireland!
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Crystal
Dear Jen,
Thank you for coming.
I am so sorry I missed you. Would you be willing to resume this conversation when we are both not so busy? I am very tied up at the moment but hope that when I get back I can use this forum as a springboard to resume our chats, that you will see my comment and respond as soon as you can.
Thanks for the good work you did in that country. I hope you and your friends saved many lives through your effective witness for the truth.
TBH, I struggle with the question of rape victims and abortion. I know that saying a woman shouldn't abort during a time like that isn't exactly a feminist position (due to rights over her body); that being said, I also think of people like your friend Rebecca Kiessling and cannot bring myself to say she should have been killed if that was what someone else wanted. So it is hard for me.
I also wanted to notice how hypocritical those trying to silence you were. The worst part, in my mind, is that people like this claim to want honest discussions yet silence those holding a different opinion on the topic. You suffered through something terribly traumatic and you deserve a voice like anyone else.
I found this tragic testimony of a person who turned to accepting abortion through her rape experience:
https://www.xojane.com/issues/pro-life-activist-to-pro-choice-christian
I think you might identify with it somewhat, as you went through something similar. While her story is tragic, it has many lessons for prolifers, including putting aside our preconceived notions of what rape is and listening to the stories of those that have suffered this indignity.
BTW, your red hair is beautiful, like fire (I mean that sincerely); I have always liked red hair as it symbolises spirit and strength to me and you are one strong woman.
From my heart to yours,
Crystal
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JenAgain 🌷
You're so sweet.
I'd love to talk more.
Let me know when you have time and we'll figure it out.
💜❤💓
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Elahatterol
As I and others said in the comments, the intolerance of Ireland's pro-abortion fanatics will hopefully convert some of the saner pro-legal abortion supporters to reconsider.
I will call her attention to this thread.
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Crystal
I hope so too.
These abortion supporters talk about how threatened they feel, how prolifers are threatening their lives, and this is why they claim they have a "right" to be rude to us, but this is just too much. Distressing.
Thank you for agreeing to do that.
You might like to delete the link after she has acknowledged it (I'm thinking of you when I say this; I don't want anyone any of us don't feel comfortable around to discover that information).
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Elahatterol
I copied-and-pasted the post where you invited Jen to post here.
I will delete the post if she responds.
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Crystal
Well, if she hasn't responded after two days, please delete it anyway. Thank you for helping, I hope she comes.
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Elahatterol
On a brighter note, thanks again for the animal videos.
Amanda sent me this one yesterday, and I admit I did not know that our lovable household cat was THIS vital to mankind!
https://youtu.be/gqOzTh2pjEw
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Crystal
Would you mind posting up my little comment that dropped out? I did reply to this but can't see what I wrote.